Tilda Swinton coolly dazzles. Her pale, translucent skin and strawberry blonde hair contrast against a chic black dress. Not an imperfection or flaw mar her skin. There is a Chinese symbol tattoo on her forearm - is it real or has she been playing with her kid's stick-ons? She looks exactly the same, except for short-shorn locks, as she did the first time I interviewed her in 1993. That talk was about Sally Potter's Orlando and there have been a dozen projects (Female Perversions, Conceiving Ada, Love is the Devil, The Beach and The War Zone among them) in between then and her being here now for The Deep End, the second film - after a critically-heralded debut with the surreal thriller Suture - from David Siegel and Scott McGehee. Swinton also has another spate of pictures - including Cameron Crowe's Vanilla Sky and Spike Jonze's Adaptation - in the can or in the planning stage.
The Deep End surrounds Swinton in water, hot water, true, but symbolic of her lonely character's isolated state. The mother of three, Swinton's Margaret Hall opens the film, her extreme closeup bathed in blue artificial light and cold steel as she prepares for a confrontation with her seventeen-year-old son's thirty-year-old lover. That the lover is another man seems irrelevent until Margaret is eventually confronted by a blackmailer's videotape. It reveals a sexual act involving her child that skins this mother raw. The backdrop of Margaret's own eruptive sexual and personal awakening is shadowed by a death, a cover-up and a journey ending in a lover's meeting that rattles Margaret's staid family foundation as well as her dormant, repressed lust.
The film is based upon the 1940's noir novel The Blank Wall by Elisabeth Sanxay Holding and contemporarily mirrors the 1949 Max Ophuls directed thriller, The Reckless Moment, which starred Joan Bennett in the pivotal resourceful mother role and James Mason as her seductive blackmailer.
Swinton is a marvel as Margaret, deftly generous in her ability to present the character's clock-like, internal thought process and ultimate transformation to the audience. That Goran Visnjic plays Alek, her blackmailer-turned-salvation doesn't hurt either. The pair share a final scene that could go down in cinematic annals as both erotic and erratic.
Swinton's hard-working ethic roots from her collaborative "laboratory" years with the late gay filmmaker, Derek Jarman, for whom she became "dearest friend, surrogate wife, muse," according to Jarman biographer Tony Peake. It was an education she savors and values, an ingrained way of life that gave the Scottish, Cambridge scholar a strong base. Their "marriage" gave the film world The Last of England, War Requiem, The Garden, Wittgenstein, Blueand Swinton's award-winning role in Edward II.
She says she "can't imagine life without that time because "It's so ingested."
"These days particularly, talking to people in your position I realize more and more what an extraordinary piece of luck it was," she says. "It suited me so well and I wonder if I would even be working in the cinema if I hadn't met him. I think he made a filmmaker of me and I don't mean he made a director of me but he made a filmmaker of everybody he worked with. He wanted your sensibility. He wasn't interested in your skill, and certainly I am not apprised of having any skill, he just wanted all of you so that's what I'm in the habit of providing." "I do the same with David Siegel and Scott McGehee even though I haven't known them for eight years and we haven't drummed up this project around the kitchen table together. This film was brought to me in a very orthodox way - it was already funded, already written and it didn't need messing around with. But I approached them in the same way as I have anybody else."
"I've also become knowledgeable about the process of filmmaking as well. I'm aware, more than ever, of what an actor's life is like, though I've never been very aware of an actor's life because I don't know any actors and I very rarely work with them and I'm only learning more about it from people asking me questions and realizing the kinds of answers they're used to getting."
She says she astonished by actors who don't want "involvement with the process" and aren't "knowledgeable or interested in the science of it." "I'm too much of a scientist to want to be kept away from the smoke and mirrors aspect of it. I'm used to holding my own light," she reminds.
I note that she continues to work with people who enforce her credo - John Maybury, Sally Potter, Lynn Hershman-Leeson - and she interrupts excitedly, "Absolutely, absolutely. That's my constituency, that's where I live. In fact, John Maybury and I are working together again now. We're developing a "Medea" project together."
I ask if motherhood - Swinton has three-and-a-half year-old twins with her partner, writer John Byrne - has changed the way she gauges her roles. It's a question that she ponders momentarily and says, "It's changed me on a molecular basis as it couldn't fail to do."
"You can't join up the dots really. I work my way through my curiosities very slowly. I don't choose roles, I choose people, that's always what I'm going for; dialogue, the filmmakers and then we can decide on what the projects are. Typically my interests determine the projects. For example, I'd only just had my babies when I started to think about Medea, so I talked to John Maybury and, you know that's pretty sick to think about Medea after giving birth, but it's true."
"Tim Roth came to me with The War Zone and the reason it was of interest to me at the time was because I knew I could take something authentic to the film because I was on the verge of giving birth to twins and had just given birth when we shot the film. It was like serendipity. So what I'm interested in at the time affects absolutely what I do. I'm very lazy and I have a low boredom threshold and I know myself well enough to know if I involve myself in something that's not going to engage me for the duration of the film, not to say three years later, then it's not for me."
Swinton enjoyed working with Siegel and McGehee because they had similar values. "We worked very closely on how to build up the [visual] shorthand for the audience, the signs and the signals. We worked closely on the calibration of the aesthetic and the frame and therefore the calibration of the performances. It was important to know what sort of weight was needed so, yes, we struck deals on the language we were going to be talking."
Much of The Deep End represents a different kind of action picture. Sure, the cerebral Swinton dives and runs but this is quintessentially exhaustive, interiorized action that's antipodean to, say, the externally physical thrashing about in Danny Boyle's more traditional adventure The Beach, in which Swinton played a catalyst role as cult leader, Sal. Was The Deep End, with its tense, internal coil, harder than traversing forests and jungles and seducing the likes of Leonardo DiCaprio?
It's a question that seems to delight Swinton.
"Oh no, no, not at all, no. You know, it's no effort for me at all to think."
"In fact," she laughs, "this was really great."
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